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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 19:05:29 GMT
Puig Trades:
Adrian Beltre - 3B - TEX 8th round MiLB pick
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A2M Trades:
Gregory Polanco - OF - PIT Alen Hanson - SS - PIT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 19:18:30 GMT
Confirm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 19:21:44 GMT
As you guys should be able to tell by now im willing to sacrifice my MiLB players for MLB players. Normally I wouldn't do so but we only keep 10 MiLB players. Im used to 15 or 20. Which has allowed me to become very familiar with MiLB players ranked in the top 300. Im very confident I can pick up good prospects even after the draft is over. Im not bragging because its not a skill. But I do have faith in myself in that regard.
Beltre is a stud no doubt about it. At 34 he is getting up there but has shown no signs of slowing down. He played 161 games last season, if I get 150 out of him I will be happy. I confident that I can get 2 years minimum of elite production. A good chance for 3-4 years. I also happen to have his likely replacement in Joey Gallo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 19:33:09 GMT
Sorry, but two prospects that will not play out of Spring Training (and headed to a pitcher's park) for the #1 3B MLB player not named Miggy is not a fair trade. At all. Does the league ever get to review such trades?
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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 19:43:26 GMT
I definitely prefer the side getting beltre but I am not going to tell owners how to run their team. Puig does need to explain his reasoning on this trade but unless he says something completely silly and irrational I approve this trade. IFoughtTheLawrie still needs to approve before the trade goes through
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Post by High and Tight on Jan 13, 2014 19:47:23 GMT
I agree with the statement that Crawdads posted.
I feel inclined to say that this is an edited message. By no means did my original posted message reflect the entirety of what this message now appears to say about Crawdads previous post. I never once intended for my previous message to reflect anything about "cheating." I hope all you of understand. Thanks, Stuart
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 21:15:57 GMT
Beltre was not picked until the 6th round and 92nd overall. Why didn't anyone draft him before that? If he was the #1 3B after Miggy then he wouldn't have been the 8th 3B off the board.
You say Beltre is the #1 3B, here is the list of 3B picked before him.
1, Miguel Cabrera 2. Evan Longoria 3. Manny Machado 4. Matt Carpenter 5. Pedro Alvarez 6. David Wright 7. Ryan Zimmerman
H&T and Crawdads both are without a 3B yet they both passed on him every round. This is not a opinion that im making because im upset, its a fact that anyone can look up. I just wanted to bring it to attention since they both said they have him as the #1 3B behind Miggy who will lose 3B eligibility. Which would make Beltre the #1 keeper 3B in their eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 22:00:58 GMT
Don't let me have to put you two standing facing a corner on time-out I'm going to approve this trade. I agree wholeheartedly that it's very much in A2M's favour - for now. However, Puig is getting 2 substantial young players who *may* help him win in future years. Beltre isn't getting younger and that's my main deciding factor in approval. Only time will really tell how lopsided this is but I think it's up to the managers in this case to decide what is best for their teams - the future - or now.
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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 22:03:16 GMT
Alright so the trade is approved, managers can go ahead and make their roster adjustments
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 22:06:01 GMT
I'll give reasoning when I'm home from work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 22:19:18 GMT
To clear up any doubt I went through my messages to see who I had offered Polanco to before I offered him to Puig. There are 3 managers I know for a fact I offered him to first.
1. Sue 2. blue darters 3. King Shit
Ask them if you need to, they all could verify that I was offering him to them first. None of them have nothing to gain by lying for me. I just want to make sure I leave this trade with my integrity intact.
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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 22:22:01 GMT
point well taken A2M, I also want all managers to know that accusations of cheating are not taken lightly. Do not make them unless you know 100% and have proof. I have heavily edited this thread to keep things all nice and pretty. If anyone has questions about vetos and trades in this league message me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 22:36:01 GMT
I agree with Turns original statement, favors A2M, but I can live with the deal. I passed on Lee and Beltre due to age and did not want to have too old of a team. I did not want to be the guy holding Roy Halladay from last year. I had my shot at them and passed. Never like to mess with another guys deal unless it is collusion (no proof of that). Sometimes a trade in a dynasty doesn't make sense until later down the road. We will see more deals like this later in the season, I am sure. Teams building for the future and teams trying to win now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 23:17:25 GMT
pretty lopsided, but I have seen much worse. My question Turn, is why did you edit the thread? Aren't we entitled, as managers, to see all the comments? That is one way owners get to know each other and decide whether they want to deal with a particular person.... one way to formulate opinions about the integrity of others, and of the league.
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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 23:34:02 GMT
I edited comments to attempt to get out in front of an argument and kill it before it started. I had not thought of that specific angle. We have a few owners in this league that don't exactly get along and I like both owners and what they contribute to the league so I would like to keep them from going at it. If you have an issue with this pm me and I will do everything I can to be a better commish for everyone.
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