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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 23:38:07 GMT
On a separate but related issue, I edited High and Tights comment earlier and ended up leaving his comment sounding like he agreed with an earlier post by crawdads in which crawdads insinuated collusion or cheating on A2Ms part (another post I edited). This couldn't be further from the case, High and Tight only agreed that the trade was lopsided, he did not imply or believe any cheating or collusion had occurred.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 23:47:06 GMT
It's not that I don't trust your judgment..... I manage two leagues on espn and sometimes things do get out of hand. As a manager, I have to assume that the commish will make the right decisions for the league as a whole. I just think (especially in a new league) that all the owners should have as much info as possible about disputes. It might help reduce future incidents. Essentially, I want to know who is an asshole, and who is not.
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Post by High and Tight on Jan 13, 2014 23:50:50 GMT
I now feel inclined to add my two cents to what happened this morning. It's well known and documented that last week A2M and myself went at it for a couple of hours on one issue where a few lines maybe have been crossed. With that being said that issue is now resolved. However, we both still feel some resentment towards each other. I have made it clear to several owners that I will not be a distraction to this league and that's why I no longer carry on with my statements. The last thing this league needs is another owner expressing his thoughts and ideas. Last comment. I did not and I will not ever accuse others of cheating or support the idea of another owner's idea that cheating is taking place. If I believe that cheating is taking place I would simply rather remove myself than to try and fix that problem. If anyone has any issue with what I have said please feel free and post your comments here so that everyone may see them. Thanks, Stuart
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Post by The Turn on Jan 13, 2014 23:59:31 GMT
I respect your position totally darters, I will not edit posts anymore unless there is something really offensive or completely out of line. One thing I can tell you all is that you will be hard pressed to find a commish who will try harder to provide a good, fun, and honest league and that I will always be open to suggestions on managing the league and diplomatic in my dealings
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 0:04:49 GMT
much appreciated Turn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 1:12:48 GMT
If you let arguments happen things can get out of hand quick. I cant see how any good can come of letting one go on. Managers align with one postion and a small argument get big quick. Even though my message were deleted as well I think he did the right thing. It was going nowhere fast. I don't think there is a reason for leaving a message up that was derogatory unfounded. It can only cause more drama. Not only is it a commissioners right to erase those kind of messages its his responsibility. There was certain parts of his posts that just weren't true. So should he be allowed to post inflammatory remarks that are false and let the other managers believe it.
I was accused of collusion, told that the vote was passed and then acted like I was the one who approved my own trade. At the time no one had voted to approve it. Nowhere in any message or post did it say anything close to it being approved. Nothing he said was true and put in no effort to assure that it was. That's the main reason to erase it, if a manager says something that's not true other managers could easily believe it was true and a managers reputation could take a serious hit. Which is absolutely unfair. Another manager also agreed with him without even a shred of evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 1:13:34 GMT
Alright, here's my explanation:
I picked Beltre because he was clearly the best player on the board. That's it. I'm not huge on him, especially in an OBP league. I picked him with the intention of trading him. Meanwhile, I love Polanco and think he'll put up many 20/20 seasons, with potential for 30/30. I think he's one of the top 5 prospects in the minors. Hanson fills the SS hole for me, whether it be this year or the next. So, more or less, I traded out of a position of strength for one of my top 5 prospects and a very good offensive player at an up the middle position. I really fail to see why everyone's up in arms over this.
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Post by The Turn on Jan 14, 2014 1:17:12 GMT
well said puigs, very understandable, I had owners voice concerns over the unbalanced nature of this trade on both sides which is a reason why I hardly ever veto a trade. As long as you have an understandable reason for your side of the trade then I will not tell you how to run your team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 1:19:11 GMT
Yeah, for sure. I probably put more stock into youth than anyone here (except maybe Suz, she's probably taken four guys already that would've been my next pick) so I understand people's concern, but I'm extremely pleased with my return.
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Post by High and Tight on Jan 14, 2014 1:58:31 GMT
If you let arguments happen things can get out of hand quick. I cant see how any good can come of letting one go on. Managers align with one postion and a small argument get big quick. Even though my message were deleted as well I think he did the right thing. It was going nowhere fast. I don't think there is a reason for leaving a message up that was derogatory unfounded. It can only cause more drama. Not only is it a commissioners right to erase those kind of messages its his responsibility. There was certain parts of his posts that just weren't true. So should he be allowed to post inflammatory remarks that are false and let the other managers believe it. I was accused of collusion, told that the vote was passed and then acted like I was the one who approved my own trade. At the time no one had voted to approve it. Nowhere in any message or post did it say anything close to it being approved. Nothing he said was true and put in no effort to assure that it was. That's the main reason to erase it, if a manager says something that's not true other managers could easily believe it was true and a managers reputation could take a serious hit. Which is absolutely unfair. Another manager also agreed with him without even a shred of evidence. I agreed with everything you said Ass up until the last sentence. I am the other "manager" who apparently "agreed" to the statement in question. Because of the editing of the posted messages, my entire post is now deleted except for the part that remains. The part that remains public has now been completely taken out of context. Not once did I make a reference to anything concerning your word "collusion" or Crawdads word "cheating." This is why I agree with what Blue Darters has been saying today about leaving the messages intact.
My post, now edited, was concerning the way trades are processed once two managers agreed to the trade. You'll see under League Announcements from three days ago that I asked for clarification on this exact issue. Again, three days ago and yet I haven't heard anything about it still. However, there were a number of questions that came up in the shout box this past weekend they were all answered and yet mine still has not been answered.
So to wrap this up without sounding like I "whine about EVERYTHING" I did not say anything about cheating nor did I support the idea of cheating. My response was completely about the way trades are processed.
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Post by High and Tight on Jan 14, 2014 2:13:34 GMT
Sorry for adding my two cents. It would happen again. Sorry if I also rub people the wrong way. Take care, Stuart
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Post by The Turn on Jan 14, 2014 2:14:00 GMT
In my opinion a large part of this situation was a misunderstanding. lets all just let it go and move on. the Trade was approved as it should've been. We last an owner who did not like the way that I managed the league and I think that is plenty of fallout for today. It is common knowledge through the league that you two do not see eye to eye but I don't think that it should be an issue going forward and personally would like if we could keep arguments to a minimum
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 4:50:36 GMT
Wow. Much ado about nothing. Some people really like Palanco and he is close to the majors. Hansen is a solid SS spec who is also getting closer. Beltre is elite now but at his age it's only a matter of time. It's clear to me that Puig flipped an 8th round pick for two top specs, he had machado already. If Beltre were 5 years younger this would be very lopsided. Give Ass credit for making the win now trade and Puig credit for getting long term value for an 8th round pick.
Ass did offer me polanco well prior to this trade, so see no sign of collusion. Not to mention, I don't think the trade is as lopsided as some think.
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